Postmortem: Jubilee has lost on Every Side

[vooke]

Miguna is not coming back.
Unless if to apply for citizenship which he is entitled to.
He will also not badmouth Uhunye yet. He is at his mercy maybe until he gets his citizenship

I listened to an interview on BBC and the sounded really cowered. I sincerely hope it was jet lag and nothing else.

Kadame, you gave Jubilee free advise on how to deal with this manenos but I am glad they ignored you. We in the opposition now have so much to work with in undermining this illegal government.

The court must now send a clear message to these despots. Judge Kimaru must order the government to 1) revoke it’s illegal deportation order and return Miguna to Kenya at its own cost- unless Miguna declines. 2) compensate Miguna immediately for the repairs of damages made to his house by the rogue police who illegally detained him and forcibly removed him from his country of birth illegally. 3) impose a fine of ksh. 2 million a day until the government  comply with these orders beginning 7 days from today of which Ksh 1 million to Miguna and ksh 1 million to the victims of police brutality. The court must now stop issuing empty statements and orders that are easy to ignore but realize that they are dealing with thugs.  The orders from now henceforth must  bite if the court want to regain its constitutional position as an equal branch of this government. Maraga's statements have set the tone and the judges need to be bold.

That's frankly B.S.: What exactly forced Uhuru's hand here? He has the state, international recognition, and the support of a good chunk of the population even if he's hated by the rest. The opposition have literally nothing but words and demos. Explain again your notion of things being forced on him to do what he "must". This is just your spin as usual, to make Muigai's clumsiness seem well thought out and calculated rather than dumb. You're apologizing for the dude.

He wants opposition to remain small so they can more easily beat them in 2022. You can't see that,ama you are just teasing me?

But you were making the argument that his hand had been forced by circumstances. This now is an argument that it's Machiavellian move instead. All this seems to be about making Kamwana seem clever rather than reactionary.

[Fish Mooney]

vooke Miguna is not politically savvy or even calculating. It's more likely he'll unleash a blockbuster on the Kenyattas starting with Jomo. Prolly drag Moi in somewhere. Something like "The Kenyan Despots". People like Joho quickly moved on after picking a fight he couldn't win with Uhuru. Not Miguna.

[Empedocles]

Watching the unfolding scenarios since RAO's "inauguration" has been interesting.

Miguna deported, David Ndii has massively toned down his tweets against Jubilee and is now mainly sticking to economics, Orengo quiet, Muthama not blabbering, Kalonzo thinking of 2022 etc.

The mistake RAO did was going through the so-called inauguration. Yes, there were thousands of people who witnessed it but at the end of the day, it's obvious that RAO did not think of the consequences. MDVD, Weta, and Kalonzo did, that's why they stayed away.

Power. That's what it boils down to.

RAO has no power whatsoever and, after his "inauguration", it's become more and more obvious to everyone around him.

“Well, I am going to exercise my prerogative of roaring and show you how fares nobility. Watch me.”
― Jack London, The Sea Wolf

Jubilee is roaring, showing us who has the power and RAO can't do a single damn thing about it except whine, even though he's the "People's President". Watch his lieutenants running to court, scared of the holder of real power:

Ndii, Wanjigi and Orengo at DCI to block arrest

NASA leaders led by Siaya Senator James Orengo have appeared at the DCI after they sought anticipatory bail from the courts.

Orengo who is also a lawyer for the Opposition was with Businessman Jimmy Wanjigi, Embakasi East MP Babu Owino and NASA Strategist David Ndii.

The leaders arrived at the DCI headquarters at 12 pm to serve the DCI boss Geroge Kinoti with the anticipatory orders from the Court.

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So what next? Back to whining about nusu:

....NASA’s People’s Assembly coordinating committee headed by economist David Ndii yesterday gave a roadmap of activities the alliance will engage in until they restore ‘electoral justice’.

The Opposition has self determination and power-sharing through creation of the office of the Executive Prime Minister, should its push for the new poll hit a snag....

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Good luck with that, after the massive failures of the push for self determination (still with only ~31'000 supporters) and NASA's last failed referendum push.

[RV Pundit]

Now that is putting it as is. When will these guys take up their vacant roles as opposition? I mean Joseph Malema of Freedom party in RSA is doing far better job than these guys.

Watching the unfolding scenarios since RAO's "inauguration" has been interesting.

Miguna deported, David Ndii has massively toned down his tweets against Jubilee and is now mainly sticking to economics, Orengo quiet, Muthama not blabbering, Kalonzo thinking of 2022 etc.

The mistake RAO did was going through the so-called inauguration. Yes, there were thousands of people who witnessed it but at the end of the day, it's obvious that RAO did not think of the consequences. MDVD, Weta, and Kalonzo did, that's why they stayed away.

Power. That's what it boils down to.

RAO has no power whatsoever and, after his "inauguration", it's become more and more obvious to everyone around him.

“Well, I am going to exercise my prerogative of roaring and show you how fares nobility. Watch me.”
― Jack London, The Sea Wolf

Jubilee is roaring, showing us who has the power and RAO can't do a single damn thing about it except whine, even though he's the "People's President". Watch his lieutenants running to court, scared of the holder of real power:

Ndii, Wanjigi and Orengo at DCI to block arrest

NASA leaders led by Siaya Senator James Orengo have appeared at the DCI after they sought anticipatory bail from the courts.

Orengo who is also a lawyer for the Opposition was with Businessman Jimmy Wanjigi, Embakasi East MP Babu Owino and NASA Strategist David Ndii.

The leaders arrived at the DCI headquarters at 12 pm to serve the DCI boss Geroge Kinoti with the anticipatory orders from the Court.

More

So what next? Back to whining about nusu:

....NASA’s People’s Assembly coordinating committee headed by economist David Ndii yesterday gave a roadmap of activities the alliance will engage in until they restore ‘electoral justice’.

The Opposition has self determination and power-sharing through creation of the office of the Executive Prime Minister, should its push for the new poll hit a snag....

More

Good luck with that, after the massive failures of the push for self determination (still with only ~31'000 supporters) and NASA's last failed referendum push.

[Fish Mooney]

The fresh elections deadline have been pushed forward another 6 months; the first 3 month deadline long expired. There are are also no takers for the People's cabinet, so it's been scrapped. Only Babu Owino has informally claimed to be the People's Interior CS. Now they are back to wanting a new political system with PM.

[Kichwa]

Poor Robina. You are really looking hard with high powered microscope to  find straws to hold on to and hairs to split. This is an organic movement to reform Kenya and there are no deadlines for the total liberation. We are pleased with the progress we are making and no amount of silly insults from clueless and confused people like you mean anything. This movement is getting bigger by the day. Focus on the common man and not the leaders if you truly want to know what’s going on. Look how quickly it swallowed. Leaders are trying to keep pace with it by ratcheting up their rhetoric fearful that they may not be radical enough. Miguna, Joho and Raila has set such a high standard for them and everyone is playing catch-up.

The fresh elections deadline have been pushed forward another 6 months; the first 3 month deadline long expired. There are are also no takers for the People's cabinet, so it's been scrapped. Only Babu Owino has informally claimed to be the People's Interior CS. Now they are back to wanting a new political system with PM.

[Fish Mooney]

If you find it necessary to respond to my "insults" I should be really pleased.

[Fish Mooney]

I said Kichwa you need a mirror. Like the incomprehensible views of the Jubilee supporters in Nyeri you blamed on propaganda. The radical NASA supporters you refer must be so enlightened, nothing to do with political messaging by their leaders.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

vooke Miguna is not politically savvy or even calculating. It's more likely he'll unleash a blockbuster on the Kenyattas starting with Jomo. Prolly drag Moi in somewhere. Something like "The Kenyan Despots". People like Joho quickly moved on after picking a fight he couldn't win with Uhuru. Not Miguna.

He might as well pen a book.  I wouldn't expect the jubilant to grant him citizenship under any circumstances(based on whatever relevance the law retains) anyway.

[Kichwa]

I have no problem with Jubilee supporters in Nyeri.  I understand where they are coming from and my goal in life is not to change their minds. I am very focused on the NASA fraternity and unlike the old days of mwakenya, we have social media to speed to make communication a breeze and make it absolutely impossible for this despotic regime to muscle our communication. We are not worried about time nor are we control by day to day headlines. When they crackdown on NASA leaders, the movement goes underground and again with the easy of communication, underground is really not that deep underground.  I strongly believe we will succeed and if Nyeri people too believe they will succeed then that is fine. The problem is that time is not on their side. Ouru is already a lame duck president and their are limits to which he can wield state power. Even dictatorship needs a huge complacent and compliant segment of the population to survive. Ouruto do not have that.Ouruto cannot outlive our commitment to change and he will fail miserably trying to subdue or intimidate us to compliance and complacency.  That is why I am very confident that he will not be able to sustain our daily onslaught.

I said Kichwa you need a mirror. Like the incomprehensible views of the Jubilee supporters in Nyeri you blamed on propaganda. The radical NASA supporters you refer must be so enlightened, nothing to do with political messaging by their leaders.

[Kichwa]

Windy, the jubilee government does not confer citizenship-the constitution does.  This matter of citizenship is bigger than Miguna. A lot of Kenyans got their dwell citizenship before 2010 and they are the ones who put a lot of pressure on the leaders to get dwell citizenship. The law that one has to re-apply to get their natural citizenship back is unconstitutional and must be challenged all the way to the supreme court. Under the old constitution one was considered to have "renounced" their Kenyan citizenship just by merely acquiring the citizenship of another country.  We got rid of that constitution and under the 2010 constitution which is the law of the land that language does not exist.  Many Kenyans living in the US and elsewhere are not happy with this statute but refused to challenge it until the Miguna "deportation".  I therefore believe that this particular statute/regulation will be found unconstitutional and natural born Kenyans will only have to prove that they were born in Kenya to acquire a national ID or a Passport.

vooke Miguna is not politically savvy or even calculating. It's more likely he'll unleash a blockbuster on the Kenyattas starting with Jomo. Prolly drag Moi in somewhere. Something like "The Kenyan Despots". People like Joho quickly moved on after picking a fight he couldn't win with Uhuru. Not Miguna.

He might as well pen a book.  I wouldn't expect the jubilant to grant him citizenship under any circumstances(based on whatever relevance the law retains) anyway.

[Fish Mooney]

vooke Miguna is not politically savvy or even calculating. It's more likely he'll unleash a blockbuster on the Kenyattas starting with Jomo. Prolly drag Moi in somewhere. Something like "The Kenyan Despots". People like Joho quickly moved on after picking a fight he couldn't win with Uhuru. Not Miguna.

He might as well pen a book.  I wouldn't expect the jubilant to grant him citizenship under any circumstances(based on whatever relevance the law retains) anyway.

Actually if he depoliticizes the issue he will get it instantly. Outside of politics I doubt he even needs Kenyan citizenship. Irony.

[Fish Mooney]

I know you have nothing against Nyeri people. Your view of them mirrors theirs of you. The radicalization is a reflection. The risk of betrayal Ruto had with Kikuyus is gone for this reason - they see him as a savior contrasted to radical NASA. Right into his game, do you see?

A few things NASA sings are actually good for the country. Independent courts, IEBC, devolution, etc. Others like PM and katiba changes are bad: we just reversed 50 years of that and the new system is just 7 years along. Such ideas expose "electoral justice" as a smokescreen. And these demands, and other things, they are the exact mandate of an opposition. Just avoid the treasonable stuff.

I have no problem with Jubilee supporters in Nyeri.  I understand where they are coming from and my goal in life is not to change their minds. I am very focused on the NASA fraternity and unlike the old days of mwakenya, we have social media to speed to make communication a breeze and make it absolutely impossible for this despotic regime to muscle our communication. We are not worried about time nor are we control by day to day headlines. When they crackdown on NASA leaders, the movement goes underground and again with the easy of communication, underground is really not that deep underground.  I strongly believe we will succeed and if Nyeri people too believe they will succeed then that is fine. The problem is that time is not on their side. Ouru is already a lame duck president and their are limits to which he can wield state power. Even dictatorship needs a huge complacent and compliant segment of the population to survive. Ouruto do not have that.Ouruto cannot outlive our commitment to change and he will fail miserably trying to subdue or intimidate us to compliance and complacency.  That is why I am very confident that he will not be able to sustain our daily onslaught.

[Kichwa]

Robina. I know what we want in NASA but I do not know what Jubilee wants and your guess is as good as mine.  are not qualified to speak for both of us.  What we are doing in NASA is resisting and disrupting a scheme to subvert the constitution through electoral injustice and create a nation where two tribes dominate the rest wapende wasipende.  When you therefore make silly statements like me and Nyeri people are mirror images of each other I know that such statements are based on ignorance and not worth any serious attention.
 

I know you have nothing against Nyeri people. Your view of them mirrors theirs of you. The radicalization is a reflection. The risk of betrayal Ruto had with Kikuyus is gone for this reason - they see him as a savior contrasted to radical NASA. Right into his game, do you see?

A few things NASA sings are actually good for the country. Independent courts, IEBC, devolution, etc. Others like PM and katiba changes are bad: we just reversed 50 years of that and the new system is just 7 years along. Such ideas expose "electoral justice" as a smokescreen. And these demands, and other things, they are the exact mandate of an opposition. Just avoid the treasonable stuff.

I have no problem with Jubilee supporters in Nyeri.  I understand where they are coming from and my goal in life is not to change their minds. I am very focused on the NASA fraternity and unlike the old days of mwakenya, we have social media to speed to make communication a breeze and make it absolutely impossible for this despotic regime to muscle our communication. We are not worried about time nor are we control by day to day headlines. When they crackdown on NASA leaders, the movement goes underground and again with the easy of communication, underground is really not that deep underground.  I strongly believe we will succeed and if Nyeri people too believe they will succeed then that is fine. The problem is that time is not on their side. Ouru is already a lame duck president and their are limits to which he can wield state power. Even dictatorship needs a huge complacent and compliant segment of the population to survive. Ouruto do not have that.Ouruto cannot outlive our commitment to change and he will fail miserably trying to subdue or intimidate us to compliance and complacency.  That is why I am very confident that he will not be able to sustain our daily onslaught.

[Kichwa]

vooke Miguna is not politically savvy or even calculating. It's more likely he'll unleash a blockbuster on the Kenyattas starting with Jomo. Prolly drag Moi in somewhere. Something like "The Kenyan Despots". People like Joho quickly moved on after picking a fight he couldn't win with Uhuru. Not Miguna.

He might as well pen a book.  I wouldn't expect the jubilant to grant him citizenship under any circumstances(based on whatever relevance the law retains) anyway.

Actually if he depoliticizes the issue he will get it instantly. Outside of politics I doubt he even needs Kenyan citizenship. Irony.

Miguna never talked or discussed his citizenship until his dual citizenship was politicized. Talk about blaming the victim. You are losing your mind. Kenyan citizenship does not belong to jubilee and Miguna will not beg Jubilee to give it back. He never lost it and he will get his passport back and enter the country triumphatically  without begging jubilee for it. I told you that time is not an issue for us in NASA.

[vooke]

You want presumption of citizenship
The drafters of katiba were for much smarter; they shifted responsibility of regaining citizenship to those who lost. It’s their right,he’s but they must ask for it.

Please note this is no statute or legislation but the very constitution itself.

Read it again

14. (1) A person is a citizen by birth if on the day of the person’s birth, whether or not the person is born in Kenya, either the mother or father of the person is a citizen.

(2) Clause (1) applies equally to a person born before the effective date, whether or not the person was born in Kenya, if either the mother or father of the person is or was a citizen.

(3) Parliament may enact legislation limiting the effect of clauses (1) and (2) on the descendents of Kenyan citizens who are born outside Kenya.

(4) A child found in Kenya who is, or appears to be, less than eight years of age, and whose nationality and parents are not known, is presumed to be a citizen by birth.

(5) A person who is a Kenyan citizen by birth and who, on the effective date, has ceased to be a Kenyan citizen because the person acquired citizenship of another country, is entitled on application to regain Kenyan citizenship.


I expect Miguna to fly back and apply for citizenship. There is no single reason why he should be denied. Should he be denied or delayed, he may sue immigration for infringement of his fundamental rights,and it will be promptly granted.

What he shouldn’t do is to waste time arguing that he was a citizen by presumption..had a Kenyan passport, registered to vote, vied etc

Windy, the jubilee government does not confer citizenship-the constitution does.  This matter of citizenship is bigger than Miguna. A lot of Kenyans got their dwell citizenship before 2010 and they are the ones who put a lot of pressure on the leaders to get dwell citizenship. The law that one has to re-apply to get their natural citizenship back is unconstitutional and must be challenged all the way to the supreme court. Under the old constitution one was considered to have "renounced" their Kenyan citizenship just by merely acquiring the citizenship of another country.  We got rid of that constitution and under the 2010 constitution which is the law of the land that language does not exist.  Many Kenyans living in the US and elsewhere are not happy with this statute but refused to challenge it until the Miguna "deportation".  I therefore believe that this particular statute/regulation will be found unconstitutional and natural born Kenyans will only have to prove that they were born in Kenya to acquire a national ID or a Passport.

vooke Miguna is not politically savvy or even calculating. It's more likely he'll unleash a blockbuster on the Kenyattas starting with Jomo. Prolly drag Moi in somewhere. Something like "The Kenyan Despots". People like Joho quickly moved on after picking a fight he couldn't win with Uhuru. Not Miguna.

He might as well pen a book.  I wouldn't expect the jubilant to grant him citizenship under any circumstances(based on whatever relevance the law retains) anyway.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Windy, the jubilee government does not confer citizenship-the constitution does.  This matter of citizenship is bigger than Miguna. A lot of Kenyans got their dwell citizenship before 2010 and they are the ones who put a lot of pressure on the leaders to get dwell citizenship. The law that one has to re-apply to get their natural citizenship back is unconstitutional and must be challenged all the way to the supreme court. Under the old constitution one was considered to have "renounced" their Kenyan citizenship just by merely acquiring the citizenship of another country.  We got rid of that constitution and under the 2010 constitution which is the law of the land that language does not exist.  Many Kenyans living in the US and elsewhere are not happy with this statute but refused to challenge it until the Miguna "deportation".  I therefore believe that this particular statute/regulation will be found unconstitutional and natural born Kenyans will only have to prove that they were born in Kenya to acquire a national ID or a Passport.

vooke Miguna is not politically savvy or even calculating. It's more likely he'll unleash a blockbuster on the Kenyattas starting with Jomo. Prolly drag Moi in somewhere. Something like "The Kenyan Despots". People like Joho quickly moved on after picking a fight he couldn't win with Uhuru. Not Miguna.

He might as well pen a book.  I wouldn't expect the jubilant to grant him citizenship under any circumstances(based on whatever relevance the law retains) anyway.

I get your point.  I just think Kenya is now post-legal.

[vooke]

-Guns and security returned
-No further arrests and detention
-Passports will be returned (why would you cancel a passport for someone you are not interested in


I’m really worried
Jubile is running out of tricks from its bag. They may be forced to do something far much serious than what they have already been stopped

[Fish Mooney]

Two tribe domination - it's called universal suffrage democracy. Anyone can run, not all can win. Ruto is next.

You paint Jubilee supporters as brainwashed (by propaganda) - but NASA followers as informed. That was on Windy's video of Nyeri. I do not speak for you or NASA of course, I read your words.

If one just arrived from Mars they might mistake NASA as law-abiding or its demands and agitations as legit. Until they meet the amorphous NRM, People's Assembly, boycotts, demos, oaths and etc illegalities. You are a rogue opposition. I can imagine Mr Miguna explaining to the foreign media why he was deported and expecting sympathy.

"I am entitled to be the People's CJ"

Robina. I know what we want in NASA but I do not know what Jubilee wants and your guess is as good as mine.  are not qualified to speak for both of us.  What we are doing in NASA is resisting and disrupting a scheme to subvert the constitution through electoral injustice and create a nation where two tribes dominate the rest wapende wasipende.  When you therefore make silly statements like me and Nyeri people are mirror images of each other I know that such statements are based on ignorance and not worth any serious attention.

[bryan275]

-Guns and security returned
-No further arrests and detention
-Passports will be returned (why would you cancel a passport for someone you are not interested in


I’m really worried
Jubile is running out of tricks from its bag. They may be forced to do something far much serious than what they have already been stopped

You've every reason to be worried.  The wazees currently advising the electoral fraudster have a very old bag of tricks churning out crude and ancient tricks.  There will be an escalation