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Re: MOASS 2027 mega thread
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2026, 01:58:55 PM »

Moi had been in politics his whole life leave about reading and he was defeated in 2002 . You think this exell sheet and fake figures will excite anyone . You are wrong in assumption that Ruto is the new Raila , Sifuna has inherited majority of that votes . Ruto perfomed even worse than Uhuru in North Eastern and some parts of Coast why do think he now has inherited Raila base there where as he has been fighting him for the last 20 years ……

Mathare patient literring my MOASS thread with nonsense. I have been doing politics since 1990s as teenager. I started reading about kenya siasa in 1992. Been modelling tribal maths since 2005.

Sasa wewe MJINGA utanifundisha kazi.

Fck off and do you own MOASS


Pundit what you have not come to terms with is that there is a generational transition of poltics .
Same as 2002 Moi was exiting the stage . Raila exited the stage .
Meaning there political structure changes significantly . Something you also didnt see in 2002 while others saw.
Same as 2002 with Moi exit in 2027 the new generation want  the likes of Ruto who they have been seeing since 2008 fighting it out with Raila to go out , Thats why you see Sifuna Euphoria equated as Euphoria in 2002.
I come from Coast and I can tell you Ruto is not loved in that part of Kenya Raila was loved and Ruto is not Raila . Even in the Mombasa you are giving Ruto that much of votes he will get less than last time .
Ruto has no single formula to path of victory , he will make more blunders as we approach the general elections . I can sure bet he will drop Kindiki and put Luhya to try even numbers that will make the 40 % Luo and the 20% Meru more angry and will further reduce his voters basket.
One thing you got out of this is even Gachagua doesnt get Presidential candidate or DP candidate due to anger just like Luos in 2002 and Kalenjins in 2007 they will still come out to vote out Ruto in droves . That plays out for opposition and they can attract other regions .

Okay. See you in next year on election day.

In meantime ODM-UDA MPs, MCAs, Governors and Senators begin 3-day conclave in Naivasha. Ruto is nailing serious pact while opposition are still arguing like small kids

If ODM was to quit GOK - it now - they have 3 months before Nomination start in Jan - March.

I think you're trying to re-invent 2002 with desperation that is almost clinically madness.

Just looking at you figures you remind me of 2002 elections .
The biggest Mistake Moi did was thinking Uhuru would inherit his votes.
Same fallacy Pundit is thinking . Automatically Raila former regions will support Ruto.
For more than 2 decades Moi had fought GEMA and created a coalition against GEMA then he thought by choising Uhuru he will wipe out this . GEMA refused to board and the other tribes felt betrayed and chose Kibaki as a better option .
Come 2027 Ruto has fought Raila for 20 years then he thinks he can get his voter base . Thats a whole generation meaning if you were being born in 2008 when Ruto was fighting Raila in 2027 you will elegible to vote same as happened in 2002 majority will refuse to board .
Now he created 2 Monsters Gachagua and Sifuna .
I said since 2022  Gachagua has never been interested of Being a President and there will emerge a new leader . You never listened . How did I know , because we are in the thick of things .
Im going to tell you even if 2 opposition camps emerge Ruto is still going to be No 3 . At most he will gather 27% of the votes


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Re: MOASS 2027 mega thread
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2026, 02:05:23 PM »
Garbage In Garbage Out.

Moi had been in politics his whole life leave about reading and he was defeated in 2002 . You think this exell sheet and fake figures will excite anyone . You are wrong in assumption that Ruto is the new Raila , Sifuna has inherited majority of that votes . Ruto perfomed even worse than Uhuru in North Eastern and some parts of Coast why do think he now has inherited Raila base there where as he has been fighting him for the last 20 years ……


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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2026, 02:07:29 PM »
Lol Nowayhaha pick another brush. This one is too broad.

Ruto will inherit pastoralists and Mijikenda from Raila. Likely the turnout suffers. Luo, Luhya and maybe Gusii ndio shida.
First for Ruto's eternal war against Raila - not even marrying Ida can change that.
Second Ruto's big trust deficit after hanging RiggyG out to dry.

MKE -
Accept first Ruto & UDA rigged Mbeere just like Malava - the scheme that was thwarted in Ol Kalou - where Pundit had UDA 45-55% DCP - modelling rigging. 👀
Add to that ukora - which causes deep anger when you screw people - that NOONE believes for a second that Ruto will back Kindiki in 2032.
For these reasons I expect pragmatic Ruto to drop Kindiki.

LUO -
Ruto 85% is delusional. For the very 2 reasons above: long, painful anti-Raila war plus trust deficit of promising Mbadi 2032 which is a transparent lie.
Unless he drops Kindiki for Mbadi - then as Nowayhaha says MKE and Luhya anger mounts.

LUHYA -
Ruto 50% vs 40 Sifuna. How now? There is anger over Malava rigging - then hollow Madvd PM which makes the offer USELESS - then fighting Raila - then uwongo ati Madvd/Weta/Oparanya 2032. False promises only attract scorn. Then Sifuna. Here is where you should have Sifuna 85% not Ruto in Luo.

GUSII -
Ruto 30% vs 61% Matiang'i. Looks generous to Ruto - unless opposition mishandle Matiang'i like Azimio mishandled Kalonzo in 2022 - and handed Ruto some Kamba protest votes. Gusii are whiny cerelac babies like Kamba.
If Ruto starts hounding Matiang'i over Ruaraka land saga - he can totally luck out. But at least he is not promising Gusii 2032.

MAA -
Kajiado you think Ruto will sweep Maa 100%. Ruto has inherited them but still outlandish. RiggyG makuzo game will bear fruit. He seems keen to reserve countywide seats for Maa in exchange for PORK votes.
Even Narok you underrate RiggyG game... Maa don't hate Kikuyu like say Luo do.


We will see as the game heats up and lineups take shape.
This Aug-10-2026 MOAS is outrightly biased for Ruto.
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Re: MOASS 2027 mega thread
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2026, 02:53:40 PM »
And yet when Mizani predicted UDA was losing with 18% in Ol Kalou by-election, you predicted a 55% UDA win.

That 85% for WSR in Luo Nyanza is equally a mirage.


Kalonzo today has shared my opinion on these Sifuna opinion polls - PAID for by Kenyattas and NIS.
And principally we do MOASS because we dont believe in Opinion polls.
If you believe in opinion polls - log off.
And we meet in 2027.
I have been doing this MOASS since 2005

Opinion polls I am waiting to read ni wale jamaa wa Mizani Africa - they are only one I lately think they are good.

Yet we have an opinion poll that's not more than a month old (TIFA July 2026) that shows ODM supporters leaning 75% to Linda Mwananchi (Sifuna/Orengo) and 25% to Linda Ground (Oburu/WSR).

Make that make sense.

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Re: MOASS 2027 mega thread
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2026, 02:54:56 PM »
This is the kind of pushback I was expecting, but you can't argue it without putting your own numbers on the table — how else do we move this forward?

For now, assume Ruto–Kindiki runs. And you can't seriously expect Kindiki to be a non-factor in Mt Kenya East. That region's politics is heating up, and DPORK matters a lot to them. You keep making a meal out of Mbeere (never mind what we're hearing out of Olkalau) — but UDA won two MCA seats in Mbeere, and the High Court ruled that result fair and square. UDA also won the Malava MP seat and later an MCA seat there too. All of that you call noise. Olkalau apparently isn't.

In Mt Kenya East, Kindiki struggles in the upper belt — Embu through Imenti — which has been aligned with the Kikuyu since the '90s. But the drier lower parts have historically sided with KANU/Moi, and Kindiki is close to their reward for that.

Luo Nyanza: outside of Orengo, the Luo political class is almost entirely inside GOK — from intellectuals like Prof Nyong'o to grassroots figures like Makanga, from MCAs up to Oburu and Ida. Ruto has also handed them real power — Omollo, Mbadi, Energy. There's visible development happening, especially in South Nyanza. Luos may be grieving Raila, but they also know the Kikuyu establishment dislikes them — and Gachagua more than most — far more than Ruto ever will. They remember Ruto made one of them PM, and that he's treated them with dignity.

What I see online is Luos who want nothing more than to punish the Kikuyu — the same energy I see from the Olkalau crowd laser-focused on punishing Ruto.

NEP, Kamatusa, Coast: settled. It's Ruto.

Narok: barely any Kikuyu presence — it's roughly 50-50 Kalenjin/Maasai, and I don't see real problems there. Ruto's already won over Ledama, the Maa hardliner.

Kajiado is trickier. Maa are maybe 40-50%, and Ruto dominates that esp with Amboseli gift to them. The rest of Kajiado mirrors Nairobi — cosmopolitan. So Ruto likely gets about 80% of the Maa vote (roughly 35% of the county) plus his share of the cosmopolitan side.

Luhyaland is still a genuinely tough nut to crack — the Sifuna phenomenon is real and worth watching closely.

Gusii: Ruto got 35% last time. Now he has a stronger Arati, the ODM structure, and his own loyal base — plus intense clan dynamics working in his favor. Add a confused, directionless Jubilee under Matiang'i (NOT EVEN PARTY LEADER), and 30% for Ruto is a conservative floor — it could hit 50% if Matiang'i gets squeezed out in favor of a Kalonzo-Sifuna ticket, or more likely a Kalonzo–Mt Kenya DPORK pairing.

Anyway — put your own spreadsheet together and share it.

Lol Nowayhaha pick another brush. This one is too broad.

Ruto will inherit pastoralists and Mijikenda from Raila. Likely the turnout suffers. Luo, Luhya and maybe Gusii ndio shida.
First for Ruto's eternal war against Raila - not even marrying Ida can change that.
Second Ruto's big trust deficit after hanging RiggyG out to dry.

MKE -
Accept first Ruto & UDA rigged Mbeere just like Malava - the scheme that was thwarted in Ol Kalou - where Pundit had UDA 45-55% DCP - modelling rigging. 👀
Add to that ukora - which causes deep anger when you screw people - that NOONE believes for a second that Ruto will back Kindiki in 2032.
For these reasons I expect pragmatic Ruto to drop Kindiki.

LUO -
Ruto 85% is delusional. For the very 2 reasons above: long, painful anti-Raila war plus trust deficit of promising Mbadi 2032 which is a transparent lie.
Unless he drops Kindiki for Mbadi - then as Nowayhaha says MKE and Luhya anger mounts.

LUHYA -
Ruto 50% vs 40 Sifuna. How now? There is anger over Malava rigging - then hollow Madvd PM which makes the offer USELESS - then fighting Raila - then uwongo ati Madvd/Weta/Oparanya 2032. False promises only attract scorn. Then Sifuna. Here is where you should have Sifuna 85% not Ruto in Luo.

GUSII -
Ruto 30% vs 61% Matiang'i. Looks generous to Ruto - unless opposition mishandle Matiang'i like Azimio mishandled Kalonzo in 2022 - and handed Ruto some Kamba protest votes. Gusii are whiny cerelac babies like Kamba.
If Ruto starts hounding Matiang'i over Ruaraka land saga - he can totally luck out. But at least he is not promising Gusii 2032.

MAA -
Kajiado you think Ruto will sweep Maa 100%. Ruto has inherited them but still outlandish. RiggyG makuzo game will bear fruit. He seems keen to reserve countywide seats for Maa in exchange for PORK votes.
Even Narok you underrate RiggyG game... Maa don't hate Kikuyu like say Luo do.


We will see as the game heats up and lineups take shape.
This Aug-10-2026 MOAS is outrightly biased for Ruto.

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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2026, 02:58:14 PM »
My official prediction for Olkalua was DCP win of 55 versus UDA 45%;
Well UDA definitely gave it all;
And I was kinda expecting either Kipipiri (which happened) or them to be swayed by goodies - but it wasnt close.

Anyway Mizani are quite good and have excellent record - unfortunately they have stopped realizing polls quite often

I think Ruto will perform very well in Luos for many reason 1) Many powerful positions 2) Many development projects 3) hatred/rivarly with kikuyus 4) 99% of ODM are in Broad-based bar Orengo who is unpopular and Babu who wishes he was Sifuna getting the headlines.

I see 10% knock off because some Raila diehards will be mourning and I see 10% lower tunrout.

And yet when Mizani predicted UDA was losing with 18% in Ol Kalou by-election, you predicted a 55% UDA win.

That 85% for WSR in Luo Nyanza is equally a mirage.

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Re: MOASS 2027 mega thread
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2026, 02:59:46 PM »
Agreed. 

Even with such outright bias, WSR gets just 50.1%!   

Desperate.

Lol Nowayhaha pick another brush. This one is too broad.

Ruto will inherit pastoralists and Mijikenda from Raila. Likely the turnout suffers. Luo, Luhya and maybe Gusii ndio shida.
First for Ruto's eternal war against Raila - not even marrying Ida can change that.
Second Ruto's big trust deficit after hanging RiggyG out to dry.

MKE -
Accept first Ruto & UDA rigged Mbeere just like Malava - the scheme that was thwarted in Ol Kalou - where Pundit had UDA 45-55% DCP - modelling rigging. 👀
Add to that ukora - which causes deep anger when you screw people - that NOONE believes for a second that Ruto will back Kindiki in 2032.
For these reasons I expect pragmatic Ruto to drop Kindiki.

LUO -
Ruto 85% is delusional. For the very 2 reasons above: long, painful anti-Raila war plus trust deficit of promising Mbadi 2032 which is a transparent lie.
Unless he drops Kindiki for Mbadi - then as Nowayhaha says MKE and Luhya anger mounts.

LUHYA -
Ruto 50% vs 40 Sifuna. How now? There is anger over Malava rigging - then hollow Madvd PM which makes the offer USELESS - then fighting Raila - then uwongo ati Madvd/Weta/Oparanya 2032. False promises only attract scorn. Then Sifuna. Here is where you should have Sifuna 85% not Ruto in Luo.

GUSII -
Ruto 30% vs 61% Matiang'i. Looks generous to Ruto - unless opposition mishandle Matiang'i like Azimio mishandled Kalonzo in 2022 - and handed Ruto some Kamba protest votes. Gusii are whiny cerelac babies like Kamba.
If Ruto starts hounding Matiang'i over Ruaraka land saga - he can totally luck out. But at least he is not promising Gusii 2032.

MAA -
Kajiado you think Ruto will sweep Maa 100%. Ruto has inherited them but still outlandish. RiggyG makuzo game will bear fruit. He seems keen to reserve countywide seats for Maa in exchange for PORK votes.
Even Narok you underrate RiggyG game... Maa don't hate Kikuyu like say Luo do.


We will see as the game heats up and lineups take shape.
This Aug-10-2026 MOAS is outrightly biased for Ruto.

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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2026, 03:08:51 PM »
Why don't you produce your own and share?
Ruto has a solid 48-50% one year to the election.
That is NOT desperate.
And that is when I have been generous to Sifuna :) :)  a paper tiger who is fizzling out - Ruto is likely at 55-60% once we see this Sifuna thing play out - and by the time I realease my next MOASS somewhere when IEBC will be done with registration or something major happening.

Ruto has yet to make serious counter moves....bado he is just consolidating ODM.

My last MOASS of 2022 I had many scenarios esp given Kikuyus was difficult to model.

But this time round we have much smaller problem - mostly western and maybe Murima west - the rest are minor tinkering of 10-20% - get an excel and see if they have any IMPACT - nadada.

Agreed. 

Even with such outright bias, WSR gets just 50.1%!   

Desperate.

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Re: MOASS 2027 mega thread
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2026, 03:14:10 PM »
I have said this before, and I will repeat it:

RVPundit,

1) I admire the time, energy, dedication you take to

i) assemble the MOASS
ii) Publish it for public review and critic. 

Very few of us have the intellect to do carry out such an exercise, and even fewer have the balls to publish it for all to see.  For that, I must take my hat off.

2) Your Kalenjin ethno-jingoism here and elsewhere is rather nauseating. And it is clouding your predictive acumen, in a desperate attempt to have a Kalenjin win.   

 - look at the maths as it is, (as you have been doing in the past), not as you want the maths to be so as to reach a pre-determined outcome.



The Ol Kalou prediction, even with Mizani polls which you say you are credible, was a case of the latter (ethno-nationalism) overcoming the former (predictive acumen).  And this MOASS just proves the same. 

Still a long way to go though - Kenyan siasa is about to see re-alignments in the next 8 months that will leave us MOAStounded


My official prediction for Olkalua was DCP win of 55 versus UDA 45%;
Well UDA definitely gave it all;
And I was kinda expecting either Kipipiri (which happened) or them to be swayed by goodies - but it wasnt close.

Anyway Mizani are quite good and have excellent record - unfortunately they have stopped realizing polls quite often

I think Ruto will perform very well in Luos for many reason 1) Many powerful positions 2) Many development projects 3) hatred/rivarly with kikuyus 4) 99% of ODM are in Broad-based bar Orengo who is unpopular and Babu who wishes he was Sifuna getting the headlines.

I see 10% knock off because some Raila diehards will be mourning and I see 10% lower tunrout.

And yet when Mizani predicted UDA was losing with 18% in Ol Kalou by-election, you predicted a 55% UDA win.

That 85% for WSR in Luo Nyanza is equally a mirage.

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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2026, 03:20:35 PM »
Thank you for your kind words.
Again you make accusation that are false and try to ascribe bias where none exists.

1) Turn out - you cried - said I played around it. I never touched turnout. Not with my hands. The other stuff I didnt touch is registration of 2022, 2026, 2027 - all these are AI project.

Claude estimate we will have declining turnout -
One important finding worth flagging: Kenya's turnout hasn't been growing across cycles — it's been falling every election since 2010:

2013: 85.9% (IEBC actual)
2017: 79.5% (IEBC actual)
2022: 64.8% (IEBC actual)

That's a real, steady decline, not growth. Extrapolating that trend (via linear regression)

on, which lines up closely with the average per-cycle drop) projects ~54% turnout nationally for 2027 — a continuation of the same trajectory, not a rebound.


2) Only tinkering I did - was to tell AI - keep Kikuyus & Kalenjin turnout 10% higher - which similar to 2022 as they are likely going to be very motivated. I would normally add Luos - those 3 are very good historically in turnout - but Luos this time round I dont see them turning out that much.

3) I don't see any major disagreement on how I assign tribal numbers - maybe Luo 85% - can we go with 65%? What else is your beef? Just give me the numbers you think my Kalenjin ethno-nationalism got in their way.

4) I think you know Ruto having captured ODM and with Raila dead was always going to be hard to beat - you should handle that part rather maturely.

I have said this before, and I will repeat it:

RVPundit,

1) I admire the time, energy, dedication you take to

i) assemble the MOASS
ii) Publish it for public review and critic. 

Very few of us have the intellect to do carry out such an exercise, and even fewer have the balls to publish it for all to see.  For that, I must take my hat off.

2) Your Kalenjin ethno-jingoism here and elsewhere is rather nauseating. And it is clouding your predictive acumen, in a desperate attempt to have a Kalenjin win.   

 - look at the maths as it is, (as you have been doing in the past), not as you want the maths to be so as to reach a pre-determined outcome.



The Ol Kalou prediction, even with Mizani polls which you say you are credible, was a case of the latter (ethno-nationalism) overcoming the former (predictive acumen).  And this MOASS just proves the same. 

Still a long way to go though - Kenyan siasa is about to see re-alignments in the next 8 months that will leave us MOAStounded


My official prediction for Olkalua was DCP win of 55 versus UDA 45%;
Well UDA definitely gave it all;
And I was kinda expecting either Kipipiri (which happened) or them to be swayed by goodies - but it wasnt close.

Anyway Mizani are quite good and have excellent record - unfortunately they have stopped realizing polls quite often

I think Ruto will perform very well in Luos for many reason 1) Many powerful positions 2) Many development projects 3) hatred/rivarly with kikuyus 4) 99% of ODM are in Broad-based bar Orengo who is unpopular and Babu who wishes he was Sifuna getting the headlines.

I see 10% knock off because some Raila diehards will be mourning and I see 10% lower tunrout.

And yet when Mizani predicted UDA was losing with 18% in Ol Kalou by-election, you predicted a 55% UDA win.

That 85% for WSR in Luo Nyanza is equally a mirage.

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Re: MOASS 2027 mega thread
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2026, 03:27:55 PM »
@RVPundit…

I give you a taste of Luhyaland as you search around for where you will get votes to pass the 50%, plus 1 mark.

I did say here recently that Oparanya is Linda Mwananchi chini ya maji. The whole of Luhyaland is well and truly gone for WsR, your narrative that he will get 90% of ODM only exists in your imagination.

A rough run of your numbers, even at this early stage, puts WsR at 36% outcome, best case.

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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2026, 04:14:21 PM »
There will be signs?
There will be indicators?
We will see in crowds - Jana it was disappointing.
I dont see MCas, Mps, Senators, governors rushing in.
I see those squeezed by Broad-Based using sifuna.
Khawale, Malala, Tim, Natembeya, 2 Mps in Bungoma (Kalasinga & Bumala)
Like I said in the other thread - I see Sifuna ending as prime Eugene Wamalwa of New Ford-K or DCP
At best he will become AMANI coalition of MaDVD+Wamalwa of 2012
Baluhya you guys are broke and good candidate for silly expirements.

Anyway I am seeing Sifuna cutting lonely figure being dragged along by Pauline NJoroge.

@RVPundit…

I give you a taste of Luhyaland as you search around for where you will get votes to pass the 50%, plus 1 mark.

I did say here recently that Oparanya is Linda Mwananchi chini ya maji. The whole of Luhyaland is well and truly gone for WsR, your narrative that he will get 90% of ODM only exists in your imagination.

A rough run of your numbers, even at this early stage, puts WsR at 36% outcome, best case.

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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2026, 06:21:03 PM »
I disagree,

MOAS is not at all a tough exercise - almost any above-average politically passionate person can do it.
Nor "brave" under an online moniker. His name actually means hubris and we will never know him.
He claims to be a software/data geek - with deep domain interest - easy-peasy.

You are correct about his Ol Kalou ukora. It was based on the hooded boys work not any dispassionate reading of the ground.

I might just do mine. Kazi rahisi.

I have said this before, and I will repeat it:

RVPundit,

1) I admire the time, energy, dedication you take to

i) assemble the MOASS
ii) Publish it for public review and critic. 

Very few of us have the intellect to do carry out such an exercise, and even fewer have the balls to publish it for all to see.  For that, I must take my hat off.

2) Your Kalenjin ethno-jingoism here and elsewhere is rather nauseating. And it is clouding your predictive acumen, in a desperate attempt to have a Kalenjin win.   

 - look at the maths as it is, (as you have been doing in the past), not as you want the maths to be so as to reach a pre-determined outcome.



The Ol Kalou prediction, even with Mizani polls which you say you are credible, was a case of the latter (ethno-nationalism) overcoming the former (predictive acumen).  And this MOASS just proves the same. 

Still a long way to go though - Kenyan siasa is about to see re-alignments in the next 8 months that will leave us MOAStounded
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« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2026, 07:05:25 PM »
Let me wait for great legend Charles Hornsby. Youre just lamenting.
I disagree,

MOAS is not at all a tough exercise - almost any above-average politically passionate person can do it.
Nor "brave" under an online moniker. His name actually means hubris and we will never know him.
He claims to be a software/data geek - with deep domain interest - easy-peasy.

You are correct about his Ol Kalou ukora. It was based on the hooded boys work not any dispassionate reading of the ground.

I might just do mine. Kazi rahisi.

I have said this before, and I will repeat it:

RVPundit,

1) I admire the time, energy, dedication you take to

i) assemble the MOASS
ii) Publish it for public review and critic. 

Very few of us have the intellect to do carry out such an exercise, and even fewer have the balls to publish it for all to see.  For that, I must take my hat off.

2) Your Kalenjin ethno-jingoism here and elsewhere is rather nauseating. And it is clouding your predictive acumen, in a desperate attempt to have a Kalenjin win.   

 - look at the maths as it is, (as you have been doing in the past), not as you want the maths to be so as to reach a pre-determined outcome.



The Ol Kalou prediction, even with Mizani polls which you say you are credible, was a case of the latter (ethno-nationalism) overcoming the former (predictive acumen).  And this MOASS just proves the same. 

Still a long way to go though - Kenyan siasa is about to see re-alignments in the next 8 months that will leave us MOAStounded

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Re: MOASS 2027 mega thread
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2026, 07:23:06 PM »
My thinking on the MOASS:

1) It contains an inherent bias (not deliberate) to the benefit of WSR on account of the following

i) WSR already has a team/coalition complete with a prez candidate (WSR) + running mate (Kindiki), whereas the opposition is yet to coalesce around a team (Prez candidate/DP/PM etc

ii) The MOASS assumes that the opposition candidates are running not only separately (Melon, Sifuna, Gachagua etc), but also against each other. 

iii) Building on (ii) above, we know that in political math,  1+1 = 2.5.  Meaning that when a candidate with 10% joining another with 10% will bump up the total to above 20%, due to bandwagon effect

iv) The MOASS assumes that WSR can maintain both the so-called Mt Kenya East AND Luo Nyanza.  Yet we know that there is a direct competition btn the two for DP.  Get one and lose some support in the other

v) I have already addressed the disparities in projected turnouts

That said, I will proceed to paint my own maths with a broad brush due to the currently fluid nature of the political landscape:

A) The opposition remains united against WSR

B) With A above, i foresee the political clustering as follows-

a) Western Kenya (Luo Nyanza - Migori, Homa Bay, Kisumu, Siaya, Kakamega, Busia, Bungoma, Vihiga, Kisii, Nyamira, TransNzoia).

 - in here, I see a 50:50 sharing between WSR and the opposition due to BroadBase arrangement on the side of WSR and Sifuna/Orengo/Matian'gi effect on the side of the opposition.

 - essentially, this is a dead heat between the WSR and the opposition

b) Kamatusa belt (Kalenjin Counties  - Bomet, Kericho, Nandi, Uasin Gishu, EMC, Baringo, West Pokot, Maa - Kajiado, Narok, Samburu, Ateker (Turkana)

 - here I give WSR 90% and opposition 10%

c) GEMA + Akamba (Kiambu, Murang'a, Nyeri, Nyandarua, Kirinyaga, Embu, Tharaka Nithi, Meru, Laikipia, Nakuru, Machakos, Makueni, Kitui)

 - here I give WSR 10% and opposition 90%.

d) Coast + NE (Taita Taveta, Kwale, Msa, Kilifi, Tana River, Lamu, Garissa, Wajir, Mandera, Marsabit, Isiolo)

- here I give WSR 67% and the opposition 33%.  On account of non-native population in coast (Akamba, Luo,Luhya, GEMA) and the usual split in clan support among the Somali, Borana

e) Nairobi

Given the distribution of the ethnic polities in Nairobi in (a) to (d) above, I give WSR 25% and the opposition 75%.

Plugging these into RVPundit's very robust model, this throws out the following numbers:

WSR 42%
Opposition 58%.


Thank you for your kind words.
Again you make accusation that are false and try to ascribe bias where none exists.

1) Turn out - you cried - said I played around it. I never touched turnout. Not with my hands. The other stuff I didnt touch is registration of 2022, 2026, 2027 - all these are AI project.

Claude estimate we will have declining turnout -
One important finding worth flagging: Kenya's turnout hasn't been growing across cycles — it's been falling every election since 2010:

2013: 85.9% (IEBC actual)
2017: 79.5% (IEBC actual)
2022: 64.8% (IEBC actual)

That's a real, steady decline, not growth. Extrapolating that trend (via linear regression)

on, which lines up closely with the average per-cycle drop) projects ~54% turnout nationally for 2027 — a continuation of the same trajectory, not a rebound.


2) Only tinkering I did - was to tell AI - keep Kikuyus & Kalenjin turnout 10% higher - which similar to 2022 as they are likely going to be very motivated. I would normally add Luos - those 3 are very good historically in turnout - but Luos this time round I dont see them turning out that much.

3) I don't see any major disagreement on how I assign tribal numbers - maybe Luo 85% - can we go with 65%? What else is your beef? Just give me the numbers you think my Kalenjin ethno-nationalism got in their way.

4) I think you know Ruto having captured ODM and with Raila dead was always going to be hard to beat - you should handle that part rather maturely.

I have said this before, and I will repeat it:

RVPundit,

1) I admire the time, energy, dedication you take to

i) assemble the MOASS
ii) Publish it for public review and critic. 

Very few of us have the intellect to do carry out such an exercise, and even fewer have the balls to publish it for all to see.  For that, I must take my hat off.

2) Your Kalenjin ethno-jingoism here and elsewhere is rather nauseating. And it is clouding your predictive acumen, in a desperate attempt to have a Kalenjin win.   

 - look at the maths as it is, (as you have been doing in the past), not as you want the maths to be so as to reach a pre-determined outcome.



The Ol Kalou prediction, even with Mizani polls which you say you are credible, was a case of the latter (ethno-nationalism) overcoming the former (predictive acumen).  And this MOASS just proves the same. 

Still a long way to go though - Kenyan siasa is about to see re-alignments in the next 8 months that will leave us MOAStounded


My official prediction for Olkalua was DCP win of 55 versus UDA 45%;
Well UDA definitely gave it all;
And I was kinda expecting either Kipipiri (which happened) or them to be swayed by goodies - but it wasnt close.

Anyway Mizani are quite good and have excellent record - unfortunately they have stopped realizing polls quite often

I think Ruto will perform very well in Luos for many reason 1) Many powerful positions 2) Many development projects 3) hatred/rivarly with kikuyus 4) 99% of ODM are in Broad-based bar Orengo who is unpopular and Babu who wishes he was Sifuna getting the headlines.

I see 10% knock off because some Raila diehards will be mourning and I see 10% lower tunrout.

And yet when Mizani predicted UDA was losing with 18% in Ol Kalou by-election, you predicted a 55% UDA win.

That 85% for WSR in Luo Nyanza is equally a mirage.

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Re: MOASS 2027 mega thread
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2026, 07:35:11 PM »
sorry - double posted

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« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2026, 08:26:00 PM »
😁 Hii yako ni art & craft not analysis.

My thinking on the MOASS:

1) It contains an inherent bias (not deliberate) to the benefit of WSR on account of the following

i) WSR already has a team/coalition complete with a prez candidate (WSR) + running mate (Kindiki), whereas the opposition is yet to coalesce around a team (Prez candidate/DP/PM etc

ii) The MOASS assumes that the opposition candidates are running not only separately (Melon, Sifuna, Gachagua etc), but also against each other. 

iii) Building on (ii) above, we know that in political math,  1+1 = 2.5.  Meaning that when a candidate with 10% joining another with 10% will bump up the total to above 20%, due to bandwagon effect

iv) The MOASS assumes that WSR can maintain both the so-called Mt Kenya East AND Luo Nyanza.  Yet we know that there is a direct competition btn the two for DP.  Get one and lose some support in the other

v) I have already addressed the disparities in projected turnouts

That said, I will proceed to paint my own maths with a broad brush due to the currently fluid nature of the political landscape:

A) The opposition remains united against WSR

B) With A above, i foresee the political clustering as follows-

a) Western Kenya (Luo Nyanza - Migori, Homa Bay, Kisumu, Siaya, Kakamega, Busia, Bungoma, Vihiga, Kisii, Nyamira, TransNzoia).

 - in here, I see a 50:50 sharing between WSR and the opposition due to BroadBase arrangement on the side of WSR and Sifuna/Orengo/Matian'gi effect on the side of the opposition.

 - essentially, this is a dead heat between the WSR and the opposition

b) Kamatusa belt (Kalenjin Counties  - Bomet, Kericho, Nandi, Uasin Gishu, EMC, Baringo, West Pokot, Maa - Kajiado, Narok, Samburu, Ateker (Turkana)

 - here I give WSR 90% and opposition 10%

c) GEMA + Akamba (Kiambu, Murang'a, Nyeri, Nyandarua, Kirinyaga, Embu, Tharaka Nithi, Meru, Laikipia, Nakuru, Machakos, Makueni, Kitui)

 - here I give WSR 10% and opposition 90%.

d) Coast + NE (Taita Taveta, Kwale, Msa, Kilifi, Tana River, Lamu, Garissa, Wajir, Mandera, Marsabit, Isiolo)

- here I give WSR 67% and the opposition 33%.  On account of non-native population in coast (Akamba, Luo,Luhya, GEMA) and the usual split in clan support among the Somali, Borana

e) Nairobi

Given the distribution of the ethnic polities in Nairobi in (a) to (d) above, I give WSR 25% and the opposition 75%.

Plugging these into RVPundit's very robust model, this throws out the following numbers:

WSR 42%
Opposition 58%.
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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2026, 10:43:52 PM »
MOASS is snapshot. Ruto Broadbased are clearly ahead as they are nailing things early.We can model opposition best play n it remain a our model. Opposition could pull last minute magic. For now this what obtain..Ruto has odm n kk machine assembled in naivasha. Opposition are in 4 major camps. Will they unite....who knows. We watcg n update. This good baselind 1yr to election

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Re: MOASS 2027 mega thread
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2026, 08:06:40 AM »
Soon you will acknowledge Ruto cant make it back …. It took you some time to acknowledge Ruto lost legitimacy after 2024 , It took you some time to acknowledge Mois loss , so hard it hit you that you pretended you were supporting Kibaki where as you were singing how Moi is dawa ya Mt Kenya in 1992 and 1997 .

Garbage In Garbage Out.

Moi had been in politics his whole life leave about reading and he was defeated in 2002 . You think this exell sheet and fake figures will excite anyone . You are wrong in assumption that Ruto is the new Raila , Sifuna has inherited majority of that votes . Ruto perfomed even worse than Uhuru in North Eastern and some parts of Coast why do think he now has inherited Raila base there where as he has been fighting him for the last 20 years ……


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« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2026, 10:13:38 AM »
Stop online diarrhoea. Ruto is not losing to hapless opposition. He is nailing his coalition a year to election and look very good now. I never and will never support Moi. My first interraction with Moi was him breaking doors to our home in 1989 looking for Mwakenya. I wish I was at home. I would have shown you my father pictures in DP. In 1992 we had boxes of DP Kibaki posters nobody was willing to take. My mother first time voted for Raila in 2007. My father died without ever liking Moi or Raila.
Soon you will acknowledge Ruto cant make it back …. It took you some time to acknowledge Ruto lost legitimacy after 2024 , It took you some time to acknowledge Mois loss , so hard it hit you that you pretended you were supporting Kibaki where as you were singing how Moi is dawa ya Mt Kenya in 1992 and 1997 .